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Catherine's avatar

Amen! Thank you for articulating so beautifully what I have been wrestling with over the past few years. Particularly love your paragraph about doubt not bringing a death of faith but rather allowing a more weathered and complex level of faith to grow and dare I say flourish. I also appreciated your candor writing a section straight up about what you currently don't believe. I might give that a go sometime as think there may be some value in that and letting some stuff go.

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Melodie Brown's avatar

I agree with Catherine ... as always you have been able to articulate so well many of the faith tennets and doctrine I have wrestled and am wrestling with. I find myself still code-switching a bit. I am very comfortable talking with someone who has broadened their parameters for spirituality further than "Christianity" such that they would not say they identify as a Christian or believe many of the Christian fundamentalist ideas or truths (including that literality and inerrancy of the bible or as our 'Christian' idea of God as being the "one true way"). I enjoy exploring questions of faith, meaning, God, purpose, spirituality with this person without having to try figure out how such ideas, conversations and potential truths or realities can be melded with a Christian framework or crammed into the box of the Bible.

Yet, I also still find a lot of beauty and value in a "Christian" context and a church community that is stepped in religious history and tradition. But that is far more open and inclusive that the previous iteration of my belief system and allows room for doubt, questions and the "weathered, complex, deeper and more nuacned" faith.

I have a document of decent length where I have - at various points in my exploration, questioning and seeking, asked questions about many of the things you identify in your creed. Posited alternatives, questioned commonly-held ideas or interpretation and noted down some quotes and passages that I resonate with - regardless of whether they are coming from a "Christian lens" or somewhere else.

I think if I were to write my "Creed" now there would be many crossovers with yours. I think possibly some of the points would still be in the "I don't know" or "I want to believe" columns.

But I also know that I think I am going to have to be okay with a bit of code-switching and the "both/and" of it all. There are some things that hand-on-heart I'm not sure I believe anymore, but that I don't know I could confess to my family or my husband. But within my new and evolving paradigm of spirituality and faith I also don't know that this matters as much! Before, what you "believed" was make or break. As you say - "...it’s LESS ABOUT KNOWING and doing THE RIGHT THINGS and more about simply being with God".

One thing I did write down was this: "At this stage in my exploration, rejecting God is not on the table for me, because God isn’t a “belief” for me; it’s an experience and a truth. In all things. The connecting thread through all things."

Even Jesus in all his parables and teachings seems to emphasise practice and characters, not belief and theology. "The Kingdom of heaven is like ..." "The Kingdom of heaven is within ...".

I saw a neat post recently that I believe came from Martin B Copenhaver's book:

"Jesus asks 307 questions. He is asked 183 of which he only answers 3. Asking questions was central to Jesus’ life and teachings...Through Jesus’ questions, he modeled the struggle, the wondering, the thinking it through that helps us draw closer to God and better understand, not just the answer, but ourselves".

I listened to a conversation with Kathy Escobar on the Nomad Podcast some time ago. Loved so much of what she said and went and bought her book on audible "Practicing".

But here is a short clip I saved that resonated. And it helped me with some of the "why does God let this happen" questions and to me presents a framework for spirituality that is really grounded and based in action, service and making a difference: https://photos.app.goo.gl/jeU67tS5DgEFKmoQA

Kathy Escobar prefers to take the approach of “letting God off the hook” for what happens in this world (who lives, who dies, what happens). After all, we were given free will.

Rather she likes to think that life just happens BUT “God is with us” in all of it, through all of it. That, through all that is happening there is a Spirit at work and it is about healing, about coming alongside us in the depth of our human experience, to help us to continue to grow and to pass love on to other people. It’s intangible and often elusive, but at work always.

“God is in the thick of us”.

She feels that she doesn’t actually need to make sense of this Spirit at work and why different things happen, but she can honour it and that has brought some comfort and peace. That God is at work in the world in lots of creative and wild ways … and it is up to us to be catalysed by that. This is why practising our faith is important. She suggests that God doesn’t break down oppressive systems, but “God with us” helps move us to practise that - practice breaking down oppressive systems, helping the disenfranchised. LIVING out Christ’s teachings.

Thank you so much for sharing so openly. Putting your beliefs on pa zr like that is super vulnerable. You are very brave and courageous!

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